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thezed · Feb 09, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Im posting this link on the GameFAQs board for Guild Wars. Just to annoy all the trolls that seem to be begging for GW to fail. If you look beyond the "new update second half of 2007" you will see there are some good numbers there for Guild Wars.

"The successful launch of Guild Wars Nightfall and the increase in the number of Lineage II players helped boost sales in North America and Europe."

"Meanwhile, sales of the Guild Wars® franchise rose 65% to KRW 18.6 billion (US$19.8 million). "

"The percentage breakdown of sales by game title shows Lineage and Lineage II with 35% and 36%, respectively, followed by Guild Wars with 22% and City of Heroes/City of Villains with 6%. "

Amity and Truth · Feb 09, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

And how many of those are still playing? Those are the numbers i'm interested in, not some sale figures.

Jetdoc · Feb 09, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Griff Mon

I'm slightly overwhelmed now. Another chapter in the near future might cause my head to asplode.

I agree. I felt "caught up" with Prophecies and Factions when I purchased Nightfall, but now I'm really behind the ball in experiencing every ounce that I can of the game and the new skill mixes, strategies, etc...

I was actually considering not purchasing Chapter 4 if it came out in a couple of months so that I could truly get my money's worth out of Nightfall. This news actually comes as a breath of fresh air.

luinks · Feb 09, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by thezed

Im posting this link on the GameFAQs board for Guild Wars. Just to annoy all the trolls that seem to be begging for GW to fail. If you look beyond the "new update second half of 2007" you will see there are some good numbers there for Guild Wars.

Don't bother you just gonna be flamed, and no one will care anyway (sorry if I seem a little rude)

thezed · Feb 09, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

And how many of those are still playing? Those are the numbers i'm interested in, not some sale figures.

It might be for traditional MMO games, but for GW SALES is what matters. They dont get a monthly fee, so if everyone bought one copy then quit the game...all the better for GW, all that money with low bandwith cost.

And I'm willing to bet about 1/3 of the people who have "quit" will come back time and time again when new chapters are released.

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Originally Posted by luinks

Don't bother you just gonna be flamed, and no one will care anyway (sorry if I seem a little rude)

I know I will, but it will only make their argument's less credible.

All these "Gloom and Doomers" crack me up. They just keep preaching how the end is near, yet it still hasn't come.

The financial success of Guild Wars speaks for itself. My prediction: Guild Wars will last as long as Anet wants it to. It will end on their terms. Poor sales will not be a factor.

Phenick · Feb 09, 2007, 04:06 PM // 16:06

It could be that they are trying to follow in magics footsteps by having one major set(prophecies) 2 small sets (nf and factions) a pause in between, and then starting over again after words, in magic terms these sets together make up themed blocks...

makes complete sense to me if they do this... i dont know if its what i want but it could be done right and good...

FoxBat · Feb 09, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by thezed

And I'm willing to bet about 1/3 of the people who have "quit" will come back time and time again when new chapters are released.

It's much more than that. They said their business model was inspired by how many people pick up expansions for games they haven't been playing for months or a year. This does make GW a financial success, however the community isn't as robust as in subscription games when it comes and leaves in huge waves, which I guess some people care more about.

thezed · Feb 09, 2007, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

It's much more than that. They said their business model was inspired by how many people pick up expansions for games they haven't been playing for months or a year. This does make GW a financial success, however the community isn't as robust as in subscription games when it comes and leaves in huge waves, which I guess some people care more about.

That is true. There is a case to be had for their business model and the larger gap between chapter 3 and 4 having a negative effect on the community. But to argue that this negative effect will be the downfall of GW is foolish.

Xenex Xclame · Feb 09, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

Only one way to find out, you should really get to testing and get back with us on the numbers.

Care to join me? Two subjects means twice the amount of numbers can be crunched.

wynoski · Feb 09, 2007, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Oh I am so amused!!! Tee-hee...

The whole major update/Chapter 4 interprtation is amusing...on this very thread I have read both, wow...I am over whelmed and the I want MORE!!! In reality the ones who want more and claim that GW is dying are missing the point. I am glad that some people want to get all 8 or 10 toons through all the missions...kudos for looking at things new and trying different things. Grind is all what you make of it...the $150 I spent on all three chapters is my entertainment money...instead of the movies or blockbuster I play GW...and Only GW.

I find things like auction houses and complaints about nerfs to farming builds as amusing. There was a thread about a guy farming 250 ectos in 5 days and someone spending 7M g on outfitting PVE toons for PVP. talk about conspicous consumption...What does an auction house really get you? Is an in game economy that much a part of people's gaming experiences?

For those of you who threaten to walk on GW, throw out your collection, etc, here's how A-Net feels: "SO WHAT!!!???""...GW makes money by selling new titles, if you leave it makes no difference as there is no monthly fee, they already have your money. What are you going to do, tell people, "well don't buy it, I did and I spent 8 months playing it and I gave up cuz it wasn't fun!"...uhh conflicting messages!!!!

...so now since nf is out, they will wait it out and let the people who bought nf buy and finish the other three chapters...(MORE MONEY) and you leave the servers so they save money on future expansions.

Meanwhile the uber gamers with the short attention spans move on and vow never to be back...

Fast forward to August 2007...World preview event...whole new story line, whole new wold for GW...back you come...why? Cuz it rocks and you loved GW, you just got burnt out...PVP has been revitalized and is cutting edge...its the must have game...all the other games out there are getting sparse cuz everyone is coming back...so uber gamer...

4 weeks later new GW comes out with record sales and all those that left are racing to find the new greens, the new swords and jack up the in game economy. Anet then races to get Ch5 up in 6 months to keep the zeal of the new world an chapet moving...all are happy.

and thenthe complaining starts again...

Phenick · Feb 09, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

the downfall of guild wars is the fact that it exists... look through the history of this friggin forum and you will have proof of that... *ehem*

i would like somoene to point out a game that has had the success as big as guild wars that has just randomly died over the course of a few months or even a year...(barring games that were butchered by the developers) nothing in gw could be seen as a butcher the game is mostly the same and the chapters always add a seemingly acceptable amount of refreshment. No game just dies, no one thing can be the downfall of a game because a niche of the gamer base will not find that one thing so bad and it will still be alive for them.

predicting the death of a game is like predicting your own death. you can either live in the moment or spend all your time thinking about the inevitable and i guess you are dead already.

wynoski · Feb 09, 2007, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Oh I am so amused!!! Tee-hee...

The whole major update/Chapter 4 interprtation is amusing...on this very thread I have read both, wow...I am over whelmed and the I want MORE!!! In reality the ones who want more and claim that GW is dying are missing the point. I am glad that some people want to get all 8 or 10 toons through all the missions...kudos for looking at things new and trying different things. Grind is all what you make of it...the $150 I spent on all three chapters is my entertainment money...instead of the movies or blockbuster I play GW...and Only GW.

I find things like auction houses and complaints about nerfs to farming builds as amusing. There was a thread about a guy farming 250 ectos in 5 days and someone spending 7M g on outfitting PVE toons for PVP. talk about conspicous consumption...What does an auction house really get you? Is an in game economy that much a part of people's gaming experiences?

For those of you who threaten to walk on GW, throw out your collection, etc, here's how A-Net feels: "SO WHAT!!!???""...GW makes money by selling new titles, if you leave it makes no difference as there is no monthly fee, they already have your money. What are you going to do, tell people, "well don't buy it, I did and I spent 8 months playing it and I gave up cuz it wasn't fun!"...uhh conflicting messages!!!!

...so now since nf is out, they will wait it out and let the people who bought nf buy and finish the other three chapters...(MORE MONEY) and you leave the servers so they save money on future expansions.

Meanwhile the uber gamers with the short attention spans move on and vow never to be back...

Fast forward to August 2007...World preview event...whole new story line, whole new wold for GW...back you come...why? Cuz it rocks and you loved GW, you just got burnt out...PVP has been revitalized and is cutting edge...its the must have game...all the other games out there are getting sparse cuz everyone is coming back...so uber gamer...

4 weeks later new GW comes out with record sales and all those that left are racing to find the new greens, the new swords and jack up the in game economy. Anet then races to get Ch5 up in 6 months to keep the zeal of the new world an chapet moving...all are happy.

and thenthe complaining starts again...

Captain Sarcastic · Feb 09, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

well im thinking they are making a new "core" game for the next series of games. the first trillogy is over, and its on to the next series. I dont think it will have any new classes because of this.

so baiscly, i think it will be the new prophices, and hopefully it will come with a few of the things they have been saying they would add, which may be why its taking longer

If this is gonna be GW II, I hope I can bring my characters over from GW I. I've put too much into em to just throw em away.

Mr_T_bot · Feb 09, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

And how many of those are still playing? Those are the numbers i'm interested in, not some sale figures.

But due to Arena Net's business model, no one cares about people still playing.

Effendi Westland · Feb 09, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Inde

There was rumor a few months back about only 1 chapter release in 2007 in the month of August. So maybe a lot remember and its not surprising them much. That's my guess.

Yes, remembered that, so not surprised. Glad too, too much to do

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

well im thinking they are making a new "core" game for the next series of games. the first trillogy is over, and its on to the next series. I dont think it will have any new classes because of this.

If they do this then I really hope they are smart enough to ban the skills from the new series of three from the old pvp-modes and ban the old skills for new pvp modes.

Amity and Truth · Feb 09, 2007, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

But due to Arena Net's business model, no one cares about people still playing.

Sad thing is they should. Keeping old customers is just as valuable as gaining new ones. Telling old customers to f*** off is money lost to A-Nets cause

wynoski · Feb 09, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

they are not saying [email protected] off...u are right that they need to keep the congregation in the seats, but if they get two new people in the door for each that has left...

GW cannot be all things to all people...it has its ups and downs...there are things I like and things I dislike...I want a monk that I can use in DOA, UW, etc...I chose to create in NF because I want to try for survivor title...is it frustrating with 4-5 primary quests inbetween the missions, yes, for me it was better than prophecies and jing she...at least I could use my decked out heros.

Remember just because you want (insert gripe here) doesn't mean that everyone else does...I could care less about auction houses, skill nerfs, PVP changes etc...WHY, cuz I adapt...nerf my favorite build and I will find another...

What I would really like is the GW community to not be so cookie cutter wrt to builds and teams...try finding a group as a warrior for tombs...or finding a home as a necro in DOA...last tiem I was in DOA there were 12 necros LFG...

lyra_song · Feb 09, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

Sad thing is they should. Keeping old customers is just as valuable as gaining new ones. Telling old customers to f*** off is money lost to A-Nets cause

Yes they should. And they are trying to keep the old players around.

Those are the loyal ones who will bring new players in (especially if there was a Mac client, HINT HINT HINT!!).

However, some of us are just too jaded to care now...

Mister_Smiley · Feb 09, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

We don't offical know what or when Cpt 4 will be out or what it will be, so till then we can just guess and wait. Also I believe this is was they said " new major UPDATE to the Guild Wars franchise in the latter half of 2007" Now inless i'm blind i don't see anything here about Cpt 4 just about a UPDATE. This UPDATE could mean anything, i could be Cpt4 or another Big Update for NF. We will have to wait and see.

thelegendozelda · Feb 09, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

*shakes magic ball*

--------- July 27th 2007!!!!!!!!!!!! WPE Guild Wars blah blah-------------

----------------------June 20th 2007---------------------------------

Thom: everything is so still and so quite
Orion: Yes I know……I don’t see anything moving….Where has everyone gone?
Thom: Brrrrrr gives me the creeps

-------------------------June 25th 2007---------------------------

Some random Paragon………LFG Gates of Madness--------anyone?.........*chreep chreep*

-----------------------July 26th 2007-------------------------------

Togo: Come here you little brat, come here you!
Lost Boy: Nooooooooo nooooooo Mister Togo You’ve gone mad!!!!! Ahhhhh arrr waaaa

------------------------------------WPE Guild Wars: blah blah-------------------------------

*tick tick tick*………..They coming back or what?